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SJA Reacts to Archbishop Ruling
... Mel White controversy troubles parishioners

Editor's Note: When the Archbishop forbad the Reverend Mel White from giving the March 30th homily at St. Joan's many parishioners were offended. Reactions ranged from anger to sorrow to devastation. The website received numerous complaints and comments. Out of respect for Fr. George, we held off publishing them until he had a chance to give his response to the parish. Fr. George's response can be seen in his March 30th homily. We offer a few of the reactions to the goings on of the week. If you would like to submit your thoughts for consideration on this page, send them via email to the webmaster.

WHEREVER YOU ARE ON YOUR JOURNEY??

Ronnie Angelus says: "There are three things that make my life work: Talking to my daughter who opens vistas to me and makes me laugh; being in the circle of the Divas, my writing group, who shout "go girl" and give me standing ovations with their smiles and tears; sitting next to Mary and Claude Paradis during Sunday Mass at St. Joan of Arc, which is as close to pure goodness as I will know in this lifetime."
George Wertin spoke on Sunday. That's not a bad thing. Quite often that is a really good thing. But this time -- this time? It meant that Mel White wouldn't speak. He was silenced.

I looked up the biography of Mel White on the Internet. There's loads of material there. I learned about this man who has made a long journey -- a nationally known figure, a writer, speaker, director, minister, man of courage and vision. This man who speaks for acceptance -- a messenger of love. He was coming to St. Joan. Yes, he was. But the Archbishop said no. And - so, I guess - George Wertin had to call Mel White and tell him, "you can't come." And it appears that Mel White, in love and compassion, understood -- and came to stand in the congregation, to be with us.

But what I was wondering is, whatever happened to "wherever you are on your journey?? " Whatever happened to collaborative ministry?" Is that where I get to say -- after the layers of hierarchical decision making , "How can I help? How can I fit in?" Make no mistake. This Church of St. Joan is a hierarchy -- although usually a benign one. If this parish, this paradigm of collaborative ministry is truly what it says it is, how come I didn't know? OK, I understand how ungainly it is to simultaneously communicate with thousands of people. But you get my point. People who don't have anything to do with St.. Joan prevailed on the Bishop, and we had no voice.

The Archbishop got phone calls, I heard. Not from me. I'll bet not from you. But from a group that is mobilized--to make sure that open and frank discussions don't come from our pulpits, by gosh. And certainly to make sure that the embrace of love and acceptance, and even legitimacy, is not offered to gays and lesbians, men and women who sit in our midst, and to their parents, and brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and cousins, once or twice removed.

After the bishop said no, I'll bet we said all the things people say when they are dazed and need reasons -- "You have to pick your fights," "We can't afford to lose St. Joan." We say we are an enlightened group. We are thinkers, and among us are movers and shakers -- we get to listen and think things through. We get to listen and make up our own minds about what the speaker is telling us. We are a group of smart and wise people, our ranks swell with MDs and PHDs, LLDs and Masters level and school of hard knocks and school of the streets smart people. Who could be afraid of having us hear this message from this widely accepted and respected man?

Listen to the words of Norine Larson, the previous Chair of the Parish Council, in her interview with Chuck MacDonald. "When we sit down to listen to the speaker, I want to be challenged to think! I do not want to be told how to think. I may agree. I may disagree....people who speak need to say something about their own journey." Please read the whole article. It is about being open and aware. It is about the Gospel message.

We opened our doors and our hearts in this church of St. Joan of Arc to gay men and women. But when push came to shove, we couldn't fight for them. It was the hierarchy. And maybe someone even said, though I hope not, we can't sacrifice the many for the few. Now I hear that we are, through our Parish Council, trying to get a meeting with the Archbishop. Hopefully, the story will be continued and our voices will be heard and heeded. I wouldn't take a very big bet on it.

In my 76 years of trying to keep my integrity whole and functioning, in business and my personal life; in 76 years of watching public figures, and cities and states and countries give away little pieces of themselves, I know one thing. This is how it starts. The first incursion, the first time we give away our rights -- it begins.

What will be next?

Dear Archbishop Flynn,

David Rotert is a communications technician. He, his wife Sue and two boys used to walk to SJA each Sunday. They since moved to St Louis Park, but are now happy to make the drive. David and his family have been attending SJA for over 10 years. You may see him serving host or wine on Sundays, and doing the readings whenever he can help. He is also always game for a good philosophical discussion. David can be reached at dsrotert@worldnet.att.net.
Your office gives you an opportunity to lead. Instead you have acquiesced.

Your station has provided you a unique chance to emulate the inclusiveness as taught by Jesus. I am dismayed that you have chosen instead to discriminate against a large and loving group.

In denying the pulpit to scheduled speaker Mel White at St. Joan of Arc, you have demonstrated to a large community, and indeed all Catholics that the "official arm" of the Church cannot be trusted to embrace loving Christians from all walks of life. This seems inconsistent with your support of the work of Grace House, and your stated concern for the poor and downtrodden.

I am not a leper, but I know Jesus would accept me if I were. I am not a woman, but I know Jesus holds men and women as equally valuable. I am not Gay, but I know Jesus welcomes all into His fold. I wish your message were not a denial of that basic message of the Lord of believing Christians.

Please actively participate in a dialogue to heal this wound. Use your voice to comfort, welcome and embrace those whom have been shunned for too long. Please help educate those who would choose to intervene in such a damaging way, for theirs is not the voice of compassion so desperately needed in our world.

Please revisit your call (as read in the Catholic Spirit magazine) “To make Jesus Christ known and loved in our time by choosing to live out the Gospel in every moment.” and see if your action to deny Rev. White (and in so doing many other people) is in keeping. I humbly submit that you must have "missed a few moments".

In Peace,

David J. Rotert
St. Joan of Arc Parish

5239 E. Twin Lake Blvd.
Brooklyn Center, MN 55429
April 4, 2003

Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn
Catholic Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis
226 Summit Avenue
Saint Paul, MN 55102

Dear Archbishop Flynn,

Paul Oman is a software engineer and waterskier who skis in shows with the Twin City River Rats and in barefoot competition (last year's regional trick champion in his division). In winter, Paul plays hockey and sings in St. Joan's choir. Also a very eligible bachelor; from Brooklyn Center.
I am deeply saddened by Doug Grow’s report in yesterday’s Star Tribune that you are forbidding my church, St. Joan of Arc in Minneapolis, to deliver Mel White’s message of love, acceptance, and discipleship to us.

I’ve been a member of St. Joan for over 10 years and have always found the weekly mantra “We welcome you wherever you are on your journey” to be a heartwarming expression of the Christian love that pervades the parish. With all due respect, I fear your action may be perverting that message to something more akin to “If you meet our guidelines we’ll consider accepting you into our closed community”.

It is even more troubling that the action may have been motivated by a group of homophobes who purport to understand the contents of a message they’ve never heard. This is a particularly bad time to let this happen given that our nation is already being torn apart by a controversial war. Now more than ever we need someone like Rev. White to remind us of Christ’s command to love one another as He loved us.

Please reconsider this action.

Yours in Christ,

Paul Oman

WRONG ON ALL COUNTS

How sad that, just as
David Culver is a long-time parishioner at SJA and is a member of the choir.
Rep. Arlon Lindner has stoked and fanned the fires of sexual discrimination at the State Capitol, our own Archbishop Flynn has decided to throw gasoline on that roaring fire by not allowing a homosexual to raise the issue of gay rights at my church, St. Joan of Arc, on Sunday morning, April 6.

Mel White is a national leader in attempting to make Christian churches more hospitable to gays. Pastor George Wertin's invitation to him to present his message of love deserves unconditional support. Archbishop Flynn's decision to deny Mr. White permission to use our pulpit, thus fanning the fires of hatred, fear, and ignorance within the larger church and community, is deserving of unequivocal condemnation.

The archbishop's action is wrong and embarrassing to all people of good will on several grounds.

First of all it is paternalistic. St. Joan of Arc is one of the very few authentic post-Vatican II congregations in the world. As such we believe in the individual's right to form their own conscience as guided by the Spirit. Part of the process of authentic Christian formation is to hear opposing views on controversial issues. What better use for our pulpit? On the one hand, Father Wertin's invitation to Mr. White is in keeping with this principle. On the other hand, Archbishop Flynn's paternalism (i.e., it is better not to know than to know) is hardly appropriate behavior for a responsible prelate in the post-Vatican II church.

Secondly, it is discriminatory. For decades we have opened our hearts and our pulpit to a wide variety of speakers, some of whom have been quite controversial. To deny Mr. White the opportunity to speak just because he is gay is quite possibly illegal under Federal and Minnesota State Human Rights statutes and morally reprehensible in any authentic spiritual code. This is hardly appropriate behavior for one who assumes moral leadership in the community.

Finally, it is scientifically and scripturally false. Pure and simple a person's being gay is not a choice, but an orientation; Mel White can no more choose his sexual orientation than Archbishop Flynn can, for example, chose the color orientation of his eyes or skin. This is fact as established by the American Psychiatric Association. A person's sexuality is no more a sin than than any other part of their genetic makeup. The driving force behind this action in my judgment is intolerance and homophobia, neither of which is supported by any reasoned and prayerful reading of scripture. This is hardly appropriate behavior for one who professes to be learned in science and scripture.

It is apparent that the archbishop has decided to abandon leadership and credibility on this issue by seeking moral and political cover in a small, vocal, but mistaken pressure group, Catholic Parents Online, rather than standing firm with his entire diocesan flock in the face of intolerance, ignorance, and homophobia.

As Holy Week approaches we are reminded that Christ continues to be crucified. How sad and embarrassing that our Archbishop stands at the cross of homosexuals and shouts, "Crucify them!"

Dana White has been involved in the recent March 30th audio/video homily and the soup suppers.
April 5, 2003

My Dear Archbishop Flynn,

I was disheartened to learn of your recent strong-arm tactics to forbid Mel White from speaking at the Lenten Mass of St. Joan of Arc Church.

It appears you have been unduly swayed by the angry voices of a few biased and pious malcontents.

If we are to be a true Church, we must be a reflection of the teaching and ways of Jesus. We as church must be representative of the microcosms of humanity.

We need to see with Christ-like eyes and open our hearts to the perfect and nonjudgmental Love of God for all. Who are we to cast the first stone?

The Reverend, Doctor Mel White has dedicated his life to the service of God and the church. I doubt he would disparage church teachings in our holy Lenten service. He has paid a dear price for the privilege of discipleship.

As Church today, we need to join voices, hands, and hearts in welcoming all with Christ’s hospitality and service in the spirit of love, justice, and compassion. We must seek truth and understanding over power and politics as we go forth in worship and action to make a positive difference in our troubled and disjointed world.

In prayer and peace,

Dana White

Ken Sholes is an occasional visitor to St. Joan of Arc and www.stjoan.com. His story tell about an aspect of GLBT pain that we don't hear about often.
"Wherever you are on your journey"

I was disappointed that I would miss Mel White's message at St. Joan of Arc as I was going to be out of town on the Sunday that he would be visiting.

My name is Ken Sholes and I've only been to St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church about six times. I was raised a Catholic and went to St. Clement's Church in NE Minneapolis, but I dropped out of church for about thirty years after leaving Minneapolis to join the Navy in 1968.

After serving in such faraway places as Da Nang, South Vietnam and Asmara, Ethiopia (now Asmara, Eritrea), I came back to the US and was stationed in Dam Neck, Virginia. At my last duty station I came out as a gay male to a superior and was subsequently discharged.

I started going back to church about 3 years ago. I had always enjoyed attending "stations of the cross" and went to the Basilica of St Mary's and other churches in the area. (I enjoy the physical journey and the participation of singing.)

I eventually joined All God's Children MCC Church as a member. The Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches begin in the late 1960's as an alternative place to worship for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered who want a spiritual journey.

While attending AGC-MCC, I heard repeatedly about St.Joan of Arc from members of SJA who attended AGC occasionally with their friends. So, I decided to check the 11 am service when I got up too late one morning to late to attend AGC's 10 am service.

I got to SJA a little after 11 am and had a devil of a time finding a parking spot. Then, I walked to the sanctuary where there was NO ONE? There has to be some kind of service going on what with all the cars parked in the blocks surrounding the church. Where is it? Prayers are sometimes quickly answered. Two lesbians that I had met at a Lynx game were walking towards St. Joan's as I, mystified, was leaving. They brought me to the gym where I attended my first SJA service.

At one of the services I attended I even noticed a mirrored ball hanging from the ceiling of the gym. Well, I thought, any gay male has to feel welcome in a church with a mirrored ball hanging from the ceiling.

Recently, because I found myself feeling the war with Iraq was unnecessary and unwarranted, I attended SJA several times. I prayed that some way would be found to avoid the impasse our government had found itself with the government of Iraq which seemed to be leading to hostilities (war). Although I felt that there was little chance of this happening, I felt great solace in being among those who held similar thoughts and beliefs

I would have missed Mel White as I was attending a gay veterans convention in San Antonio, Texas. While I feel anguish over the silencing of Mel White, it is nothing when compared to the anguish I have felt over the current "Dont' Ask, Don't Tell" policy that governs the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered servicemembers who defend our nation.

What is "Don't Tell" if not a form of silencing.

At the convention Patricia Kutteles told of her son who was harassed for months at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Because he was perceived to be gay, his complaints were ignored by his command. Then, a little after midnight on July 5, 1999, Barry Winchell, Patricia's son, was brutally murdered as Private Calvin Glover hit Winchell with a baseball bat while he was sleeping. This, too, was silencing.

And so, I grieve every day at the mistreatment of our GLBT men and woman who serve a country that doesn't do much to either protect or serve their needs. I grieve that so many are harassed or fired solely because someone thinks someone is gay or lesbian. I grieve that there may be another Barry who dies from hatred.

Imagine worrying about what you may say and to whom. The wrong word to the wrong person and you've jeopardized your career. This is the silencing or the "don't tell" portion of "don't ask, don't tell." Even telling someone like a chaplain has led to the firing of gay and lesbian military personnel.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" didn't get rid of the ban against open homosexuality in the military. All it did was codify what already existed. Before this policy you could serve if you neither told the military you were gay or lesbian OR if the military didn't ask you.

Contrary to popular belief, this policy affects all of us. Homophobia is reaffirmed for the heterosexual who fears those who are different. Good gay and lesbian military personnel are either terminated for their sexual orientation or choose to leave early to avoid a harrassing environment. We, as citizens, participate in a discrimination that we would not sanction in other organizations because of apathy or because we are not affected by it or, for some, because we don't approve of the military as we equate it with war.

And so, all members of SJA who are American citizens are to some extent responsible for this heinous policy. If I could speak to the congregation I would ask one thing: What, if anything, have you done to end the ban against open homosexuality in the military?

And Mel White is silenced.

Bob Beutel is a 20+ year "Joanie", a member St. Paul Saints Small Christian Community, the Scripture Study group, and the SJA Bookstore assistant manager. Bob says he is married to a very spiritual spouse whose challenges keep him active at SJA. They have three daughters and two granddaughters. Bob claims to be blessed beyond belief.
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April 6, 2003

Archbishop Harry Flynn
226 Summit Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55102

Re: Banning of Mel White at Saint Joan of Arc

Dear Archbishop Flynn:

Your banning of Mel White at our parish is being read as an act of unChristlike homophobia. The excited rantings of the catholicparents.org folks seems to confirm this. Please make a special effort to assure our Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender sisters and brothers that they are as welcome in the Roman Catholic Church as any other human.

At Saint Joan of Arc we are proud of the large number of GLBT members we have and appreciate the huge amount of effort they contribute to the mission of Jesus (I boast not of myself, being one of their straight brothers).

You have difficult decisions to make daily to avoid scandal; let me suggest that some scandals such as healing on the Sabbath or hauling one’s ass out of the ditch on the Sabbath or hearing a man who happens to be gay expound on John 14: 15 - 19, are far outweighed by the scandal of excluding those outcasts and marginalized people that our Savior so embraced. Let love motivate our actions, not fear and disgust.

Be assured of our prayers for the success of your ministry.

Sincerely,

Robert Beutel

Editor's Note: The following letter is addressed to Mrs. Colleen Perfect, President of Catholic Parents Online, the organization that protested Mel White's appearance at St. Joan of Arc. Her Open Letter referenced here can be seen at at their website.

Rik Murray has been attending the 11:00am service at SJA off and on for about 15 years. He loves to share this time with his mom, step-dad, sister and nephew. Rik is a regular member of the SJA Bible Study and also enjoys the Meditation Group. Rik can be reached at riko8@iaxs.net.
Dear Colleen

In response to your Open Letter to St. Joan of Arc I would like to apologize for any name calling that you or CPO experienced. That saddens me and it is regrettable. I also hope you understand the magnitude of the pain that your Open Letter to the Arch Bishop caused our community.

I will speak for myself when I say that I don't think I am missing the point regarding your desire to deny Rev. White the right to speak at our church.

First, "Let the one among you with no sin cast the first stone."

What is it that allows us to develop feelings of moral superiority over other individuals or groups of individuals when, like you said, we are all such sinners? And does that feeling of superiority then give us the right to judge one of God's creations?

Secondly, I cannot find anywhere on the CPO website your outrage or determined attempts to silence or defrock the many priests in the diocese who support the war in Iraq. Our actions there are unjustifiable according to the Catechism as interpreted by the Holy Father. I am sure CPO is aware of this. It has been condemned as evil and as you have informed us, murder is one of the "grave" sins "that cry to Heaven" as defined by Catholic teaching.

Therefore, I was sure I would find Catholic Parents OnLine speaking out against the injustices taking place in Iraq. I also expected to find an Open Letter to the Arch Bishop asking that those priests who disagree (both publicly and privately) with the Pontiff's declaration regarding this war, resign, or at the very least, to refrain from speaking from the pulpit.

You said your point was that the subject matter of Mel White's homily was not the basis of your objection but because of a view he holds that you find contrary to Catholic teaching.

I believe I understand CPO's point and yet I am troubled. Are there degrees of "grave" sin? Are some "grave" sins "graver" than others? Is it Catholic Parents OnLine's assertion that a loving union between two people of the same sex is "graver" than murder?

I am glad you visited our church, Colleen, and I apologize again for any hurt we have caused you. I know there are many more things that unite than separate us. I pray that together we will continue the much needed work of Christ in our world.

Your friend

Rik

Karyn Milos addressed the following letter to Mrs. Colleen Perfect, president of Catholic Parents Online.
Dear Colleen,

This letter comes somewhat belatedly, because it has taken me some time to collect my thoughts and calm my emotions on this matter. I hope that you will give my words a thoughtful reading, all the same.

I am writing because I was very deeply hurt by your campaign to remove Rev. Mel White from speaking at St. Joan of Arc on April 6. For a number of weeks I had been looking forward to hearing Rev. White speak; his book, "Stranger at the Gate," was instrumental in my own spiritual healing and growth as a lifelong straight woman struggling to understand what it is like to grow up with a same-sex orientation.

To be denied the opportunity to hear Rev. White speak at St. Joan's felt like a violation of my spirit, and of the spirits of the people of the parish. We *wanted* to hear him speak; we *welcomed* him; the standing ovation he, as a visitor in the congregation, received at the 11 a.m. mass (the one I attended) should leave no doubt that, whatever opinions people in some other Catholic parishes may hold, the people of St. Joan of Arc do not believe that a gay man is an improper presence in the pulpit or in the ministry at large.

On the contrary: As I understand St. Joan of Arc's understanding of ministry, it is one of radical inclusiveness, an inclusiveness that not only "allows" but *WELCOMES* the people that society labels as "outcasts" and "sinners" and otherwise "unworthy" of association with "decent" people.

For a number of years I had given up on Christianity as a source of healthy, meaningful spiritual growth, mainly because my experience of Christianity, Catholic and Protestant, was via conservative, "traditional" interpretations such as the kind you apparently espouse.

Thanks to the ministry at St. Joan of Arc, I can honestly say, for the first time in my life, that I have caught a clear glimpse of the heart and mind of Jesus of Nazareth, and it has a lot less to do with having all of the "right" answers and a lot more to do with having the eyes to see all people, regardless of our external differences, as my sisters and brothers in the human family and to live accordingly.

As I understand the gospel of Jesus, it is simply this: We are all children of God. In God there are no outcasts. Great or small, "sinner" or "saint," whether of high rank or low rank or no rank at all, all are called to feast at the common table in fellowship and communion with one another. We are called by the Spirit that lived in Jesus to live and proclaim his vision of a world in which nobody has to "fit in," because everybody already belongs.

That, in my experience, is a lot harder to live, yet ultimately a lot more transforming of self and society, than any other "gospel" I have ever heard proclaimed.

If, in the future, you wish to stop anyone from speaking at St. Joan's or any other parish, please take time to reconsider your decision, and to consider that the Spirit of Jesus may be found in places you least expect.

Sincerely,
Karyn Milos, kmilos@cheerful.com

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